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Reimagining Housing & Climate Solutions for Today ft. KC3 Founder, Daphany Rose Sanchez | Ep. 89
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In this conversation, Aliya Cheyanne and Daphany Sanchez discuss the intersection of housing justice, climate change, and community engagement. Daphany shares her personal journey from growing up in public housing in New York City to founding Kinetic Communities Consulting (KC3), a firm dedicated to integrating community voices into housing and climate solutions.
The discussion highlights the systemic inequities faced by communities of color, the importance of resilience, and the need for trust and intentionality in community engagement. They also explore the urgent impacts of climate change on daily life and the necessity for proactive measures in urban planning.
Daphany emphasizes the need for women of color to embrace their ideas and take risks, while also highlighting the significance of building a supportive team and staying grounded amidst growth. The conversation concludes with advice on how to get involved in community issues and the importance of fostering connections.
Episode Resources:
- What is Redlining? Dr. Mindy Fullilove explains the process and history of Redlining.
- Honorable mention: designing the WE’s Undesign the Redline
- The Spectrum of Community Engagement to Ownership By Rosa González, Facilitating Power
- Central American Farmers Head to the U.S., Fleeing Climate Change
- NYC Department of Small Business Services (SBS) - FastTrac Program
Find Kinetic Communities Consulting (KC3) and Daphany Rose Sanchez on LinkedIn! Email KC3 at info@kc3.nyc, or visit kc3.nyc to learn more!
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Hi everyone, welcome back to the show. I'm so happy that you're here, thank you for tuning in to another episode, and I'm so excited today to be joined by Daphne Sanchez. Hi, daphne, hi, how are?
Daphany Sanchez:you.
Aliya Cheyanne:I'm good.
Daphany Sanchez:How are you? I'm good, so nice to see you the show.
Aliya Cheyanne:So we're going to dive into Daphne's background a bit more and what she does, but I wanted to share a little bit about how I've connected with Daphne and how I know of her work.
Aliya Cheyanne:So many moons ago, as I've talked about on the show before, I worked in the affordable housing industry and Daphne has worked in the housing industry and sustainability resiliency for a long time as well, and we crossed paths through that industry. It's not so active now, but there was a period where some folks and I in different organizations we created I think it was like Black and Latino leaders in community development, like a group we were trying to get started to just connect with more folks of color in the industry, and I think that's one of the ways we crossed paths and connected too, and I have always just admired your work from afar and I'm really excited to have you on the show to talk more about it. So with that, I will pause and kick it over to you, daphne, to share a little bit more about who you are in the world today and how you'd like to be known. Thank you.
Daphany Sanchez:Wow, that's a big question. So my name is Daphne Rosenthal. Just for those of you who never met me, she her pronouns I. First and foremost, I'm a native New Yorker. Like I will die on this hill of New York City. I was born here, die here. I would self-vote that. And I'm very proud of being a New Yorker because for me it's very centered to like my, my culture and my experience, my lived experience, and I also work in the intersection of energy, housing and sustainability. I created a firm about eight years ago now called Kinetic Communities Consulting. It's just crazy how time just flies. You know when, when we met, I was working at another place and really trying to like figure things out, and then I was like you know, why is it that like our community isn't present in like decision making, and that's like part of the reason why I created kc yeah and I apologize y'all, I love jumping around.
Daphany Sanchez:You know I mentioned I. I was born and raised in new york city. I, I was born and raised in New York City. I actually was born in public housing here in Brooklyn. My father was uh raised born and raised in Marcy housing and I was born in Cooper housing. I really loved uh where I grew up, but I.
Daphany Sanchez:It wasn't until I was like in middle school and high school that I realized like people have a negative connotation to public housing, development or the projects. It was such a weird experience where, like I had such strong memories of Christmases and holiday barbecues and like, having so much fun in those developments Growing up. The more and more I engage with the outside world, the more I realize like people are like oh, if you're from the projects, like you're clearly just like they treat you like if you're the bottom of the like, the worst of the worst of society. And I and I was like bro, I just like I grew up there. I don't know what the hell are you talking about? Yeah, and so I. It used to. It used to anger me and I used to be more and more quiet about where I am and who I am and how my family and I show up in different spaces. And you know my parents had this idea of like, well, you know, we should try to achieve the American dream, which is such a stupid thing, but whatever. So they and my parents are like hardworking civil servants, folks who really were trying to give everything to me as their kid. And they were also young people and when they had decided to purchase a home, they actually purchased a home in an area that was redlined. And what happened? And they didn't know that right, because most people don't know what redlining is and like how it impacts housing. Today, yeah, and with less than a year of them having this home, hurricane Sandy hit and they lost it. We were in the house when it happened complete nightmare.
Daphany Sanchez:And I remember just saying you know what? This is the issue. We continue to fight against what society says. They want us to be dropouts. Let's just drop out of school, let's not do anything, let's just give up. And my parents are like, absolutely not, you can't just feed into the stereotype. Like you need to really, you know, stand up for yourself, because we are resilient as people and we've always been resilient for generations. Like, yeah, but why do we have to be resilient if people want us to fail? And my mom in particular would be like Daphne, like you cannot think of life like that. You have to see like the good things. And it was a big aha moment for me because I was able to connect the dots of housing, culture and like climate. It's all connected right. Like it's all rooted in the same structural racist practices. It's all rooted in like just shitty policies and shitty intentions from prior generations and current generations that continue to hold people down.
Daphany Sanchez:So I took that frustration and anger and I started focusing on like OK, how to ensure other communities, other people of color, do not have the same experience that I had. And you know I talk to folks about. We think about like what is our future going to be when we're kids? And we think about it from a perspective like, oh, that work is fun. And often for people of color, as they continue on in their career. Like the more and more you talk to them, a lot of them are like well, I decided to join this career out of like a traumatic experience or out of pain or out of frustration not necessarily out of joy and it's frustrating, and I wanted to take that frustration and say, like, actually, like, I want to create something that's like special to our community.
Daphany Sanchez:So I created KC3 at like three o'clock in the morning on October 4th and I was like, okay, I'm going to create this organization to be intentional on like, what does housing look like and how do we use climate solutions to support affordable housing for our people. I always tell folks all the time like I don't care about like the planet, like I care about people. People are struggling today. Yes, 2030 is important. Yes, 2050 is important, but people are suffering today and that's what we need to solve for. Yeah, so that's kind of what drives me forward and drives our work forward.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, oh, my goodness, you said so much in that. First and foremost, having to experience and navigate and move through Hurricane Sandy is a lot. And navigate and move through Hurricane Sandy is a lot. I feel like a lot of people don't remember just how bad it was, in particular, areas like people in Queens and the Rockaways, and the impact that it had. And I'm sorry to hear that you and your family lost your home, the first home that your parents really bought, and a part of their legacy and their desire to reach the American dream. And a lot of people don't know about redlining. I didn't learn about it until I was working in the housing industry.
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, exactly.
Aliya Cheyanne:And yeah, I learned about it.
Aliya Cheyanne:And again it speaks to that system, a system of racism a system of structural inequity that ensured that Black and brown people could only live and thrive in areas that were either climate disaster areas or environmental hazardous areas, or areas that just weren't ideal for other members of our society, and it's very interesting to think about that. I remember even speaking with you before. Environmental racism was something that I, again did not learn until I was an adult, and once I learned about it, I started looking at my own neighborhood and areas in my own community in the Bronx, where I'm like hey, like okay, a lot of things happen in the South Bronx or even where I am in the Northeast Bronx that just you won't typically see in other parts, in other boroughs when it comes to trash collection, when it comes to the type of facilities that are emitting all sorts of like it's crazy Waste in the air, you know like all kinds, and I was just like this is really, it's really sad that it's at that point, and I even think about the history of the housing and what we know as the projects. Like the connotation that it has today is not how it started, like initially, projects were started for white people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and eventually reach the American dream, and over time that shifted.
Aliya Cheyanne:So now you mostly see people of color living in housing projects and you think that that's all it's ever been. That's not how it was started. That was not the initial tent of housing projects. That's what it's become. So it's very interesting and it sounds like all of these experiences growing up, navigating the world, seeing things happen before your eyes, living through really tragic things have really formed who you are in the world today and how you move. And I would just say thank goodness that you've taken all of that and decided to make a difference and make a change, because a lot of people don't see that and experience that and decide to do it. It's hard.
Daphany Sanchez:It's hard I think about. I love growing up in public housing. I love being. It's a sense of comfort, right, if I'm walking through the projects. I feel safe, despite what people are saying. I feel safe. I know that there's community there. I know there's people that love and trust each other, that are like helping each other when everybody else abandons them, and that level of comfort is something that I have never experienced in any other space. And then when you step out of the development that I live in I moved out of it last year, which was like hell. I was so sad, yeah. When you step out of the development, like there's a Superfund site right next to it, there's the highway right next, and then it's full of industrial buildings that are constantly like contaminating the space and it's intense, like it's structurally designed to inhibit transportation, to inhibit healthy food out, inhibit the environmental space, and it can like you, it can completely like, make you feel like why bother participating in society if society has just cast you away?
Daphany Sanchez:like it's not yeah um, and I often talk to a lot of my family, my, my friends who are still living in public housing, like, don't, don't let society determine how you should operate. Don't let society Like it's. You know, it's 400 years of oppression that you are experiencing every single day and it doesn't feel like that, but it is that and it is so hard to navigate. And then you go into the next level of like working in white spaces that don't have that experience, but then they're the ones making the decisions of programs and policy.
Aliya Cheyanne:yes, so like, yes, yes, so just crazy, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's something that got to me a lot when I was working in the housing industry, because I would often and that's another reason why um, some folks and I's and Anna Scrub, who used to be at Morgan Stanley she's not there anymore now, I think, franz Hewitt, who I think is still at HPD, and Stephanie Sosa, I believe like we had come together to try to do this, because it was like we are working in these spaces that are despite the communities we're serving. The decision makers don't reflect that, and it's really hard to go to work every day and you have a particular experience, but then you have bosses and decision makers who study things in school but don't know what it's like to live it they read the policy, but they have no idea of what it means?
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, exactly. And so there's the theory, and the theory just completely doesn't match the reality. The reality exactly so far off. And then when there's coming up to ideas and initiatives and innovations of like well, this is what we need to do to help society improve. We're like well, not everyone's starting from the same starting line. Some people don't even have shoes to run, but you want to have a room that's raised. It makes sense.
Aliya Cheyanne:That's the tough part. I think that's something else that I really appreciate about your work, and just something you've said too like even talking to your friends and specifically the work you're doing through KC3, like really advocating for people to have a seat at the table, to be a part of these decisions and not just doing it as like some okay, we're letting you know the one or two special people in to feel like they have some input, but not really listen to what they say, because we know better. It's like being intentional and being serious about allowing people to use their voices to advocate for the things they know they need for their community and trusting that they have the intelligence and the intuition to do that. Yes, and I think a lot of what happens in these industries is just this like holistic. I don't know. I don't know what it is.
Daphany Sanchez:We're so happy these mutual aids are like popping up and I'm like, yes, and where are they popping up? Like we want to make sure, like there are people that need support. They're not being supported and they have to continue. It's great that people are doing things for social media and like getting people together, but if you're getting the same people you hang out with, then like then we're not solving the issue. Yeah, but that's a tough conversation for folks to have, because then they have to address like well, what is my own bias? And like how is white supremacy showing up in my decision?
Aliya Cheyanne:making, yeah, 1000%. And I want to talk to you about the just the delicate line you have to walk in in being someone who is from a community and an expert in your own right, and now being in this industry, leading the work that you're doing through KC3, and how you approach it. Like you're from the community, you know, but you're also navigating these spaces, so I would love to talk a little bit more about your approach and what that looks like for you.
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, absolutely. So I'll start off with, like Casey threw, those four types of work. The first type of work is policy and data analysis. So people have these big, bold ideas and we're like, okay, what does it actually look like for people? And so we'll do a combination of quantitative and qualitative analysis to help calm the nerves of like, but we need the data. We're like, yes, we'll give you the data and let's go talk to people to ensure that the data is actually real and it's not just like giving you some fake reality of what's happening in the neighborhood. So that's kind of the first way we do.
Daphany Sanchez:The second work we do is in program implementation. So if there is an idea or a concept that needs to be deployed in the intersection of housing and climate, then we will work with local partners that are already on the ground and give them the resources they need to deploy those ideas and initiatives in a way that makes sense for the community. For example, if somebody wants to do solar, we're not doing lease structures because we're not increasing the financial burden on renters and homeowners. We're thinking about how to ensure that they own the assets and not have like a financial loan tethered to it Like it's a grant opportunity, and then how do they know how to like maintain them themselves for if they are again, or like using local contractors so that they're not hiring someone that's going to be charging an astronomical fee because they're going across pipelines? So that's the implementation side.
Daphany Sanchez:The third side is organizational capacity. So a lot of times when people talk about community engagement, they're just like let's go get information and then leave. It's like no, no, no, no. Like you have to give folks what they need in order to succeed, and sometimes that's education on the technology. Other times it's like they're looking for project management training, budget training, time management training, communication training, and they need to get that because if they're asking for it, we want to give them the tools to work in this space. So we do that across multiple nonprofit organizations and leadership training and HR training.
Daphany Sanchez:And then the last thing is workforce development. So often in the clean energy sector and the housing sector, they only like to work with one particular type of entity and we're like no, no, no, no. Every single entity is a workforce entity. So we do train the trainer series where we work closely with organizations to get them the resources they need and to help their staff feel confident in what they're like having what they're communicating with others. So then all of this, like what is key for me and the way we move is it was really trust, like I started off talking about, like I'm a native New yorker new yorkers don't trust anybody and we don't anybody. We look at you, we like we don't trust you. We just don't trust you and in this space, I've always vocalized this because I said if I don't trust you, how am I expecting the community to trust you? I can't, I can't get past the words that are coming out of your mouth. They don't feel genuine.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah.
Daphany Sanchez:And often a lot of folks are like Daphne, you're so judgmental. I'm like I'm not being judgmental. I'm being honest, Because when you're engaging community, they're tired. They're tired of people coming and asking for stuff and disappearing when they have to work one, two, three jobs. They're dealing with rent. They don't know if they're going have food stamps and medicaid next month. They don't know what's happening. How do I look being asking them like, oh but, but can you tell me a little bit about your energy bills? I'm gonna get cursed out I'm gonna the hell out.
Daphany Sanchez:So we have to think about how do we move with intention, and so I often have these conversations with our clients. First of all, we'll determine if we'll take on a client depending on how much intention, like good intention, they have, because they have been in situations where we have customers and they'll come to us and be like we just want to get this and we're like mm-mm-mm, you got the wrong firm, sorry, go ask another firm that say they do equity but they don't really do equity. Yeah. And then when we do have a client, we we try to just like well, how comfortable are you with giving up power? Because it is in the decision making power that you'll be able to build a relationship.
Daphany Sanchez:So, with the solar project I mentioned earlier, like the first thing we did was just educate folks on solar. So for us, like building that trust and understanding, like what the final objective is and the outcome is, is important. The second thing is like what are the resources that a customer or client might have that we can just share through to our partners, again in that spirit of transparency. And then the last thing that's very important for us is continuity like we really want to make sure that people can continue to collaborate even after a project is over, because, again, we don't want to continue that and perpetuate that extracted like okay, we're here, okay, goodbye. Okay we're here, okay, goodbye. For us, it's really important to build relationships even past a program.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, I think that's really powerful. I feel like you said so much in there. But the one thing I've kind of been thinking about is that trust component is so important because, like you said, new Yorkers in particular, we're so hesitant of everything pitch, about anything, and there are a lot of people who feel so overwhelmed by their day-to-day they can't think about their community or the future or earth or anything, what it's going to be like, or the dolphins. I don't want to laugh, but people are so overwhelmed that they cannot think about stuff like that. But it literally made me think about I was just talking to my mom about this. I'm like I feel like sometimes I wish we were a little bit more like Japan or somewhere else.
Aliya Cheyanne:That really puts people and cities and technology first, cause I'm just like it is 2025. Why are people even having? I'm sorry, but why are people even having to pay for solar panels? Like that should be a standard. With climate, with climate change and everything else, everybody's house needs solar panels. Like that should be a standard. With climate, with climate change and everything else, everybody's house needs solar panels and it should not be an extra charge to them. There are people who are doing it in my community and they're doing it, thinking their electric bill and stuff is going to go down. It's not. It's going up, like they're making payments on the panels.
Aliya Cheyanne:I just feel like we should be to a point now where we're a little bit more forward thinking and thinking about our communities and people, that we're putting some of these things in place to help people and support them more easily. I love the just four areas that KC3 works in. I think they're really important that question about taking on a client and what their intentions are and making sure their intentions are mostly good, but also their willingness to give up power, because a lot of people are not willing to do that and working with particular communities requires that if you really want to help them in the way that they feel they need the help, yes, and being a part of the outcome right Because, yes, you want to deploy the technology and if people are having other issues, like immigration issues, like food security issues, child care issues, we need to take a step back and say, okay, what are the resources that are out there that we can present to them?
Daphany Sanchez:Because sometimes it's that Sometimes people just don't have the mental capacity to be like, oh my god, what's out there that can help me, and it just takes a couple of hours support that infrastructure to be built and then we can move on on the next conversation. Like we can't be transactional, we can't just, yeah, and I will say rosa gonzalez from movement strategy center. She, she created a framework, she has a firm called Facilitating Power, called the Spectrum of Community Engagement, and we often, for clients that struggle a bit, we often tell them hey guys, this exists, this is not new or innovative. Somebody actually wrote it down.
Daphany Sanchez:If you're having a hard time understanding, how do you define power in a project, how do you define this? And this is something that communities have done for decades. This is not, this is not something I've created like this has existed before I was alive. This is just how communities work. And when I still see sometimes folks are shortening, like think about yourself. Do you want to do something after work? No right, no, exactly. So if you don't want to do something, I need to have even less resources than you to try it. Because of where they live. I'm like do you understand the bias that exists there and how we need to make things easier, not harder, for folks in communities of color?
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, and something that's coming up for me too is just the fact that so many communities just don't even feel heard in the first place. So a lot of times when you try to have these like workshops and these community meetings and stuff, you have to get past the hurdle of letting people vent If they've gone a long time without feeling like they've been heard. Sometimes those first several sessions needs to be them just venting and expressing stuff before you can even get to the point where you can talk about solutions and making things happen. People want to be heard.
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, first and foremost and sometimes you don't even have to talk about solutions in that first meeting, you just have to let them vent, vent and listen to them.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yes, earnestly, honestly, truly listen to them, yeah. So I'm also curious because, as much as we're talking about this, the I mean the reality is that housing justice is important and urgent, and so is climate change and climate justice, and we're seeing things play out. You've lived through a major climate disaster and that's impacted you profoundly. Here in New York, we're watching what's unfolding in Texas right now from the flash floods, and I think people would like to brush off what's happening. But the reality is that things are changing and they're changing fast, and unfortunately, we're under an administration that is further cutting resources and budgets for the types of tools and technologies that can at least give us a heads up in these situations to get out.
Aliya Cheyanne:So I'm also wondering about the line you continue to walk with helping folks to understand that it is urgent. Like, how do you help folks? Like, once we get past, ok, we're tired, we're exhausted, we're focused on our next meal. Like, how do you actually work with folks to help them see Like this does matter? It does require a bit of your time and your energy. I saw a quote one day that said I don't know, climate change is going to be an event that you watch on your phone screen until it's happening to you, and that has always stuck with me. I think about that often. So you know how do you help people see that climate and housing justice are urgent and they're everyday issues that matter.
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, I think that's a very good question. I think often, because people that advocate for climate justice do it in a very like highly academic way, people can really disassociate from it right, like talk about climate change. People talk about how do we save the planet, how do we save the dolphins? There's these hurricanes, there's these floods, there's extreme heat, and it's really connecting the dots for people and helping them understand how climate change is impacting them today. Yeah, you today, when you're living in a property where you continue to have asthma attacks, that's because of bad pollutants that are in your air every single day. When there's constant heat strokes that people are having, it's because of these extreme heat days that we're having the flooding, and that happens all the time, and so really relating it to their day-to-day like the price of food, like we don't. There's also, like this capitalistic corporate america, that only two people actually own your food, but a lot of the crops it's getting harder and harder to like make the food. Yeah, that impacts the price of how much you pay for your food too. It's like all of these things are interconnected, like we're all interconnected, all the issues are interconnected, and so we try to make it in a sense of just humanizing the concept of climate to the day-to-day life.
Daphany Sanchez:And often there's a misconception that people don't care in our communities. But they very much care, like they're very conscious of their health, they're conscious of their expenditure. They just don't have the tools to move because of exhaustion. So when we meet homeowners, renters and low income co-op buildings, we literally just go to them and we talk to them and we listen to like, where are the opportunities that we can inject small wins for them so that they can feel confident and they can build that momentum?
Daphany Sanchez:And the same thing with our nonprofit partners. Right, they're on the front line working with people triaging and supporting. Where can we insert some little things to help them feel more confident, train their teams and then move them forward so that they can talk about like, hey, the next time there's a hurricane, think about electrification and let's move your HVAC system to the top so you don't have to buy a new HVAC system. Right, those are little wins that we're not talking about like, oh, let's reduce your greenhouse gas emissions and let's decarbonize. No, you don't have to pay for another furnace or boiler by putting in mini splits at the top of your home and then now you have a centralized system that will not get flooded. Yeah, so that's the way we approach it with our community partner really making sure that we're talking about, like what is happening today that is a direct result of climate change, and what are the tools that exist that can help them kind of move through their day-to-day.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, I appreciate you sharing those examples about how to allow folks to be aware of everyday things that matter, how they might be impacted. And it makes me think too, like my mom lives in Florida Like when there's a hurricane coming, like she knows where the central area is in her community. That's like a shelter for people to withstand that when she is, thank God. Like she's been okay. Like it's not a lot of flooding or chaos that really happens around her part, but other parts closer to the waterfront, like all those things like are directly impacted. But just being aware in your community where you can get certain support when things are happening or changes you can make. Like you were describing an HVAC system, Like I'm thinking about my house. Our boilers are on the ground floor. Historically, this area has not seen a lot of flooding, but that might very well change in the future.
Daphany Sanchez:So it's stuff to consider, and even the concept of flooding right, like when we think about flooding, we think about hurricanes, but we're also having a lot of extreme weather events where, like, rain is just continuing to pour and pour and pour.
Daphany Sanchez:And then we have flash floods and then we have, like we call them cloudbursts, but like the whole street clogs up right and then all the homes that traditionally are not in flood zones are now getting flooded because of this extreme weather. Yeah, like really help me, like anchor folks and like this is, this is happening in so many different ways, shapes and forms, and also doing it in a way of like they are there's resources and people to help you, like you're not alone, because the next, sometimes like the next thing that can happen. People are like oh crap, like this is so insane, like now I got to deal with this other thing. It's like take some baby steps here. Like there's support for you, there's an infrastructure, the community that can help you move in a way and in a timely manner that feels comfortable 1,000%, and I was thinking about what you shared about food too.
Aliya Cheyanne:A lot of things are folding into why we're seeing rising costs for food, things that did not cost as much maybe a year ago, that have been ridiculous in the last few months or six months.
Aliya Cheyanne:New York Times had done about the extreme heat that's been hitting South America, because there are many farms in South America that were growing grains and other products that they were exporting to other countries, and this article focused on that and the extreme heat that's been happening there and how a lot of families and farmers are having to find somewhere else to be because they literally cannot handle the extreme heat that's happening.
Aliya Cheyanne:It's killing the crops, it's disrupting their agricultural systems and I remember reading that years ago and saying to myself this is slowly but surely going to continue working its way across different hemispheres until eventually it catches up to wherever else. And I've been saying to myself too, like the last few years I don't know to me personally, it feels like the summers in New York City are getting hotter and the heat is starting earlier, and I'm just like if this is any sort of prediction or indication of where we're going, it's not looking great, and what are the things that we can do and take control of now to help ourselves and our communities withstand whatever might come next, or make plans about what they can do to ensure that their homes, their lives, everything are able to move through this and survive it. So I don't want to be apocalyptic or dark, but it's a very real reality.
Daphany Sanchez:We shifted. New York climate has shifted from like a humid, like mid climate to a subtropic climate. Like that shift is official already and we're starting to see more and more um shifting of classifications because of climate. Many people are not ready for that. And, yeah, really thinking about as a society, we we get excited about new things but we do really bad on the maintenance of existing things, including, like our buildings, our systems and our bodies. Yes, because it's not cute and it's not sexy. Nobody likes to talk about maintenance. They only want to talk about the new things. Like no, no, no. Like if our climate has changed, that should be a red flag to everyone, like ooh, we need to really start being mindful of what does this mean for the 8 million people that live here?
Aliya Cheyanne:Yes, yeah, 1,000% for the 8 million people that live here. Yes, yeah, 1000%. Okay, I want to take a deep breath and a little reset because I do want to shift gears a little bit. So you mentioned already what inspired you to really start KC3.
Aliya Cheyanne:Did it like was it three o'clock in the morning on October 4th and you know, you just had this pull and this call to do it, and a lot of folks who listen to this show are people who might be creative or who have an entrepreneurial idea and they want to start something, but they just don't know how to make that shift. So I want to talk to you a little bit about that process, because you had mentioned that. You know you were working at a previous organization, you made this decision, you did it over time, I'm sure, and then one day you just were like I'm going to go for it. So I would love to talk a little bit more about that transition for you, of course, wanting to make the change and speak up for the community you come from and you recognize the real gap and a real need, but just a little bit more about what that transition was like for you into really stepping into your entrepreneurial bag and founding KC3. Thank you.
Daphany Sanchez:You know it's interesting when people call me a business owner. I don't feel like a business owner and like I don't feel like it was very entrepreneurial. It's just like I need to solve this issue and this is how I'm going to solve it. Yeah, yeah.
Daphany Sanchez:What I often tell folks like is, yeah, I was working at another firm at the time and it was predominantly like there was like very little to no people of color in that institution. And I was just getting frustrated that we continue to come up with strategies and ideas and like no one really had even the similar lived experience. And I talk about lived experience and folks are like, well, you only have like only people of color have lived experiences. Like no, that's very ignorant. Everyone has different lived experiences and I do think like when you're working with diverse communities and like low income communities, it's helpful to understand like what does it mean to live in public housing? What does it mean to live in sectioning? What does it mean to like experience temporarily homelessness? But a lot of folks that we worked with were like higher income individuals that lived a higher income lifestyle growing up, and so when I would present concepts, it was just like so foreign to them. Like the same way that y'all was summering and wintering I've never heard of that in my life until I started working now like, yeah, telling you like the experiences we've had and you were not part of it because you never experienced that. So that was like a big tension that I was grappling with and someone was like well, you clearly want to solve this issue, why don't you start a business? And I was like I'm not. Like I'm not a trust fund kid. $150,000 in student loans I am the word broke doesn't even define what I am, so I can't start a business Like this sounds crazy. That's like I told the person. I was like that's like white man energy. I can't do it. And this person was like no, no, you absolutely can't. So I took a step back and I was like well, what's out there that I can look at and I can see and determine like, can I just open this business? And I thought about it as a project. It's like maybe just put two people together and like start working on this project.
Daphany Sanchez:So Small Business Services in New York City is a government agency. They have a program called the Fast Track Program and it's a free program that basically helps you decide, like what kind of business you should open, what are the different fundamentals of businesses, how do you operationalize? And I was like, oh, okay, this doesn't sound too bad. And I remember it because I was joking around with this other woman on my class who was like yeah, I came because I'm like I had a dream of creating a sewing class on boats for kids, and I was like I was like I had a dream of creating a sewing class on boats for kids and I was like. I was like, okay, I was like, girl, new York City, how are you going to do that? I commend you. I love the creativity I can do that. I'm a very like old fashioned person. I was like, okay, yeah, I was like you made me feel a lot better because now, if you're gonna do this, then I can definitely like come up with something. She's like, yeah, yeah, anybody can do anything like I hate this concept of like shifting yourself. And it was such a great conversation because then I started like fully thinking, okay, let's do this, let's figure it out.
Daphany Sanchez:I almost, because I was in so much debt because of my student loans, because because I had my master's, which with no financial aid, which was crazy I was like, okay, you know what? What else do I have to lose? I had the privilege of not having kids and by myself and, worst case scenario, if I lose everything, I can just go. I will always tell my partner. I'm like I'm going to just go get a job at McDonald's, I'm going to go fill out an application and come with a date.
Daphany Sanchez:And then I also had the privilege of living in public housing and I always tell folks like public housing is such an important thing because you're right, it wasn't designed for our people, but it can be utilized as like an opportunity to like increase your salary, decrease your salary and you still have a home, and that's why it's so important that everyone deserves housing is a human right, like everyone deserves a place to live and a place flexible to their financial situation.
Daphany Sanchez:So I started the company three o'clock in the morning on october 4th and I created the name kinetic communities with the concept of like kinetic is the movement of energy through motion and communities is people.
Daphany Sanchez:So the name is actually like how do we move the information of energy through our people, through our communities, where the name comes from, and that steps for strategic growth was such a fundamental class that helped me realize that I was very scared of the unknown and I was like you know, we got to tap into that energy that's out there, like the mediocre people that just do everything right, like people just do shit all the time, and we're over here overthinking every single step, all scenarios, all possibilities. What if this it's like, no, just do it. So I encourage everyone to like if you're thinking about starting a business, yes, like your standard, do your research, know your audience, understand who your clients are, what's the funding. But don't be scared of doing it, because the worst thing that can happen is like you fall right back to where you were at, and that's not that scary. It's scary in the beginning and then it gets better.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, yeah, that's really powerful. Thank you for sharing that, and what you vocalized is something that so many of us feel like. We feel like we can't do something because we don't look like the type of person that goes out and does it. But I will stand by the fact that the world needs our ideas, the world needs ideas by women, the world needs ideas by women of color, the world needs ideas by Black women. We have to get past the fear and believe that we can step out on a leap of faith and that we can soar rather than fall, and even if we do fall, we learn something and we try again and life is short, it is.
Daphany Sanchez:Our life is so short and every second that we have is an opportunity to explore. And again I say, like I preface that, like I have the privilege of not having kids, so I knew that the only worst case scenario is my own body and I'm like, yeah, it's fine, yeah, fine, if I lose everything and I have to go to the shelter, I'll go to the shelter, but it's not the end of the world.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, yeah.
Daphany Sanchez:That helped ease my pain and my concern.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah.
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah.
Aliya Cheyanne:How did you navigate? I feel like sometimes people are afraid to take the leap of faith because they're afraid to like maybe promote themselves or share their ideas, because they're worried about like go to school, get a good job, like secure those benefits, like those that kind of narrative. And now we're in a generation where people are like challenging that a bit, Like they're realizing that the American dream is not what it's not for them we were promised we can take a risk if we can, because sometimes the security thought we thought we might've had in this administration might not be the security we believe. So how did you kind of navigate once you started putting yourself out there, like working to reach out to the clients, working to share the word about what you've started and what you're doing, Like how did you kind of navigate that?
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, that's a good question. I think when I first told my parents, they're like why are you crazy, daphne? Like you got a good job. Nobody in our family's ever worked in consulting. Again, they're civil servants and they had good jobs and they thought it was like. They thought I was like I lost my mind. They're like are you okay? Like do you need a break? And I was like no, no, no, like I think this is good there's a lot of fear in what am I going to eat tomorrow if I don't have any money?
Daphany Sanchez:no-transcript, because I didn't like that. A lot of the folks that I had worked with in the past would like assume like, oh, you know, you know, low-income folks like they're they're okay, you know BIPOC folks are okay, but they like they'll always need some type of infrastructure. Like I kind of got annoyed of hearing that from from folks, or like folks that design programs like this is what people want, and I was like no, you know, out of spite and out of pettiness, like I want to succeed, because I want to rub it in your face that you were wrong and that you messed up. Um, so that doesn't say this is not the best driver, but that was what drove me forward. Like what my family and friends were telling me wasn't making me feel nervous. It was more of like damn, I want to prove these people so wrong. Like I want to prove we can do this and it was good when I was able to do it In terms of talking to customers. Like I really was thinking about what are the different funding cycles that exist, so like there's a lot of public information out there. Like New York City, has New York City open data. We have our capital budgets that happen every 10 years. People are allocating funding discretionary budget. So understanding, like our state budget, how money moves and like how I can integrate myself.
Daphany Sanchez:And the other thing I didn't mention earlier is like I like we're a mission based organization but we're a for-profit benefit corporation, because one thing that people realize is like Black women and women of color always try to do stuff as a nonprofit and I have no grief with the nonprofit structure, but people don't do it. So you can do the same community outreach work as nonprofits and people want to give you 30 cents to the dollar. Yeah, that's not okay. Yeah, like that's not. That's so messed up. And so we intentionally created as a benefit corporation so that we can get our MWB and withhold in New York and in the state and city, 30% of government contracts have to go to MWBs.
Daphany Sanchez:And when we looked at the data and a lot of people were asking for waivers cause they said they couldn't find minority and women owned businesses, it's like this is crazy In a city in New York so diverse. Like you're lying to yourself. So I would use that as like a pathway to talk directly to the ones funding them and be like hey, we're an MWBE, we actually have the capabilities to do the work. Here's our past results. We're happy to support you and you don't need that waiver. And then, through the customers, they would actually tell their implementing contractors like, hey, your waiver is going to get denied because there's actually an MWB here.
Aliya Cheyanne:And I was like yes, Hello, hello there, brilliant, brilliant, kudos to you. I hope you brag about that. That's so smart, as someone who is like a comms and project management consultant myself, who primarily works with nonprofits. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, the struggle can be very real. So I love what you've done, how you've structured your work, how you move. This goes back to the. You know, got to be twice as smart To navigate these systems, because otherwise you'll be jumping through so many hoops just to catch a break, and I feel like you've not. Obviously, I know there's been struggle, but I feel like you've moved through this so brilliantly and to be eight years in and thriving and eight years, 10 years, 20 years ahead, like very proud of you, good job.
Daphany Sanchez:Thank you. I tell my team I'm like every time there's like one of those folks that like thought we were going to fail, I want to just wear a hat that says like suck your stupidity. And yes, I'm very petty.
Aliya Cheyanne:Queen of petty. Yes, Hi, what are you doing? No, why are you? I forgot you even worked in this space. One of the podcasts I like the host, Les. She talks all the time about how spite drives her. Sometimes she has a fitness goal or a professional goal, whatever Spite be fueling her. Sometimes I laugh every time she says it, but it can be so true. Who doesn't want their get back?
Daphany Sanchez:or their lit back, if you doubt me.
Aliya Cheyanne:You say I can't do something. It feels so good to prove people wrong. Sometimes got to do it for you. But it's the cherry on top.
Daphany Sanchez:I saw some folks like you know. I would share with you my experience growing a public housing Like when I was in middle school. One of my teachers was like oh, you're going to be one of those typical Puerto Ricans, you're going to drop out and have a kid. And I was like yo, out of spite, now out of pettiness, I'm going to go all the way. I didn't even want to get a master's degree. I was like but I want to be petty.
Aliya Cheyanne:I want to be so petty that I'm going to be like what's this, what's?
Daphany Sanchez:a master's degree.
Aliya Cheyanne:What a terrible thing to say as a teacher, though. Right, exactly, hopefully they're not still teaching, hopefully they're out the classroom. We got fired, so I was happy, makes sense. Makes sense Not the type of teacher we need.
Daphany Sanchez:My mom, was a petty person that drove me all the way straight to my master's degree. I was like, no, yes, absolutely not.
Aliya Cheyanne:I'm not a little woman.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, my pettyance and my competitiveness is yeah, it's like what is me? I feel you on that, I feel you on that. So I'm kind of curious about just kind of what keeps you inspired in this work, if there's examples, stories, just anything that keeps you inspired to keep doing this work every day. I know your passion for community is so important and that drives a lot, but what kind of keeps you inspired in this work? Because I feel like it's sometimes it's easy to get caught up in the day to day the next task, the next project, the next client, you know. So like what keeps you inspired and like really energized about moving forward?
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, I think what really inspires me is seeing how my team gets excited about the work, because you know I feel very tacky about saying it, but I really love doing this work and like I really think about it from when I wake up to when I go to bed. I talk about it to my partner all the time, like everyone knows, like I only kind of want to talk about work I don't want to talk about anything else because we really want to like dismantle systems. You know, when you work with other people, the other thing you have to remember is like this is a job. This is not everyone else's like bread and butter and like they don't eat, sleep and breathe it. And it's been really, really nice to see how much my team, who are also like a good amount of the local native new yorkers like they grew up if they're not from New York, they grew up in other urban cities. They went through public school like they've lived in housing and um. It is such a nice experience to see how passionate they are in executing programs. So like how they get mad about like I can't believe this person thought about this like how are they not thinking about people's experience? I'm like, oh, this feels good to, feels good to see. I mean, it's not good what you're going through, but I'm happy to see you care. Yeah, I mean, how much they care about things helps me continue on, because it gets hard.
Daphany Sanchez:You see what's happening in the federal government and you're like damn man, we can't catch a break. And I think about at the same time we've never had a break. And I think about the same at the same time, like we've never had a break. I'm not lying, you know. Everybody talks about how great the Biden administration was, not for, like, our communities. We're still not prioritized. People talked about our communities. We actually did everything and that's the fundamental problem. So what's inspiring is to see, like how my team moves. And then it's also inspiring to see, like how, like the outcomes of them, so like how more and more people are curious about the conversation. And that curiosity is huge because, in my opinion, if there's curiosity, that means you bridge trust and trust the highest thing to get from New Yorkers. They will curse you before they trust you.
Aliya Cheyanne:All I can say again is facts when it comes to that. So, yeah, thank you for sharing that. That's really powerful. I feel like I usually like to have a little bit of a follow, but there are two sort of things I want to ask you. How have you one navigated the growing pains of building KC3 and growing your business and bringing on members of your team and, simultaneously, how have you stayed grounded? Because amid growing pains, there are a lot of highs and successes and wins. You've been acknowledged by Cranes 40 Under 40. You've been acknowledged by the National Urban League. So how do you navigate tougher times in your business but also stay grounded, especially when you're being recognized for incredible work?
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, I think in the grounded for the tough times part, one big lesson I learned as a business owner and I tell every business owner is really learn what you don't have the skill sets for. In the beginning, when I started my business, I was trying to do everything I was doing the programming, the people, the operation, the HR and I was like only having like three hours of sleep a day and it was driving me insane. I took a step back because it's not fair to yourself and it's also not fair for your team. Took a step back. Okay, what are the resources that I need and how do I intentionally fundraise for those resources? So then we rolled out we got first HR, then we got a leadership coach, then we got a managing director, then we got an operation finance director and I think these sports people are busy and I'm like and that I was doing all four of those things Like yeah, yeah, that's one thing I tell every business owner is like assess, like what you're good at and what you want to do in your company, move all those other pieces that you have to do and like fundraise to to have people manage. It's like so, so important, and it's often like on. It's invisible things. So, like we, we were so glad, um, we worked with another um minority-owned business, woman-owned business called cage for HR and Sierra Gross she's amazing. She was like girl, why are you doing all of this? She set up our performance review, structures, our employment. It was like phenomenal at HR. And then we worked on Malaya Solution because people need and a lot of companies don't do that, but they need need the tactical, but they also need like the mental and emotional, like support system and I can't do that Like I'm very direct as a human being and that's my style of communication and that might not be like a bad intention, but you know everyone has different approaches to hearing how community works and so having a leadership coach and and then other people right, like conflict resolution or like how do you navigate time management or or how do you show up in space, and so leadership coach helps you grow, get rid of imposter syndrome, which was huge, is actually yeah thing that like people were struggling with.
Daphany Sanchez:The leadership coach gives you that. Um, and then the managing director is like the person that does all the day-to-day, like the strategy with the team that we wind up hiring in-house and our finance and operations. Take all the invoicing and payroll and all that crazy stuff I was doing, like that's the biggest thing. And then, on the high pieces, I think what's always been very important to me, and that's why I really appreciate when people recognize me and I thank them. I'm not a very big fan of being recognized, though, and I talked to the leadership coach. He's like no, no, you need to feel good about the recognition. My own imposter syndrome shows up because I say we haven't solved the issues. Like, yeah, you're trying to boil the ocean girl. Because I say we haven't solved the issues. Like, yeah, you're trying to boil the ocean, girl, but you're not going to solve what you're trying to solve because you have to take away power from so many people. But you need to appreciate those smaller wins. Yeah, no-transcript.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, I love what you share around that just in terms of recognizing when people are smarter or better at something than you and bringing them onto your team or outsourcing, but also pulling other people in, not in a way that just diminishes your light and your recognition, but also in a way that just shares.
Aliya Cheyanne:People believe that there's not enough to go around, and there absolutely is. So even you taking a moment in your own recognition to call someone else in is really powerful, and I think that's such brilliant advice to anyone who might be listening about like what to do if they're feeling overwhelmed with the day to day, and like being intentional about fundraising or securing grants or raising resources to help them have the team that they need, but also standing in your own light and bringing others into the light with you. So I think that's really beautiful. We're getting near the end here. Just so sad. I feel like I could talk to you all day. Like just so much wisdom. So thank you for sharing. I think for anyone who might be listening, whether or not they want to be an entrepreneur whatever the case may be they might just be more curious.
Daphany Sanchez:I even tell my little nephews and my nieces I'm like, start your LLC, like, at a minimum, start your LLC. Facts been telling my little nephews and my nieces I'm like, start your llc, like at a minimum, start your llc because it's crazy, like the amount of generational wealth you can create, just like starting your business. You don't have to quit your job, just find something you're good at. Start your llc. White woman had told me this and I never believed it. I was like, oh my gosh, like this is crazy. This is this is this is how. Like our, like we we need to be our own owners of something. You can have your 9 to 5, but if you start playing in the sandbox with an LLC, you start feeling more and more confident.
Daphany Sanchez:I'm not telling you to do what I did. I have a problem. I go all in all the time and I'm like, oh, what am I doing? That's my issue. And I was like, fuck y'all, I'm going to go. You don't have to do that. Like an LLC is not that it's. You know it's a little expensive. It's like $120 in New York City and then you have to advertise it, that's it. Then you know, if you don't make funds, you know, you do your taxes $25, et cetera and you carry it on taxes, $25, etc. And you carry it on. But I think that's one of the things I do want to tell everyone. Listening, like, if you're thinking about the idea, that's a small jump, it's not as big as it seems. And and also, if you don't just come up with a name and if you don't like the name, you can change it.
Aliya Cheyanne:That's a nice thing yeah, so that's so true too. Yeah, I know, yeah, that's really important, but do it yeah and it worked?
Daphany Sanchez:I think so too. So the reason I tell my nieces and nephews I'm like you, do it today that y'all are young. You know they're 19 and 20. They're like kids. They're my rugrats. I'm like you do it now. Then when you're in your 20s and 30s, you'll be like I've been in business for 20 years.
Aliya Cheyanne:And people would love that. That's so true. That's a good point. I love that. I completely agree with you, because when I started consulting work, I wasn't doing it under an LLC, I was just doing it as like a side thing to my regular job and I didn't create my LLC until two years into doing that. I mean, I think it's worth it. There are some tax benefits to doing it that way, like as you're pulling in money, as you're charging other expenses for other things, like it's. It makes sense. It might not be the route for everyone but it does make sense. And I love the idea of like starting one young and then being able to say at some point, like I've been in business, because it's true, like on record, legally you've been in business and whatever.
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, it's true, and again, that's what a lot of these other people do. So it's like why are we doing the same? Why are we not pulling the same card?
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, I think that's really powerful advice. So you gave advice for the entrepreneurs. But I even want to take a step back for folks who might be listening and feel compelled now, after this conversation, to get more involved with, like climate justice or housing justice. If you have a word of wisdom or a piece of advice for someone who's maybe outside of the space, who might want to support in some capacity, what are small things they could do to get more involved in their community, yeah, um, I will say look at what the environmental justice organizations in your community are doing.
Daphany Sanchez:I know a lot of folks say, like call, email your representatives. Sometimes you don't want to do that, and that's okay. Like there can be spaces where you can just go to an event and listen right and learn more about what's happening in your neighborhood. Or, you know, looking at if you want to like get more down and dirty, like what are the volunteer opportunities? And there's also so much online. Let's say you don't want to do any of that, just Google what is happening in Parkchester Bronx in terms of environmental justice and learn about it and absorb the information. And if you do want to do something, like if you want to get an electric vehicle, you want to get a house or you want to change your HVAC system, as I was talking about, put on solar, look it up too and talk to people. Just think like talking to people is so important, need it like the more we're also forgetting how valuable it is to just be virtually or in person and like communicate with one another. So just talk to people.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, yeah, I love that too. It reminds me yesterday, my grandmother. She's always in her garden and we have a neighbor that we'll usually like wave to, but we don't always like. You know, sometimes the neighbors you wave you're polite, it's casual conversation, but you don't like go in depth and it's been a long time since she's done that with a particular neighbor. But yesterday she was like I'm gonna, I'm gonna cross the street and go over there and just strike up a conversation. And she did and she was like how he was so happy to talk to her and just connect again beyond just being like you from across the street, and I was just like, yeah, that's a small example.
Daphany Sanchez:I agree, and I think, especially after COVID, like we as humans are yearning connection and yearning relationships and we've lost that and now we feel awkward, like reaching out to folks. I tell my friends I was like you know, after COVID I was like let's schedule third Sunday, third Saturday, we'll go do this. Like, let's go back to the days of like yo you busy, no great, let's go. Let's go get food, let's go get a pizza. Let's go do this Because, being together, you want to go watch a movie. Let's just let's turn on Netflix and just chill. We need to go back to those 1990s style of like.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yes, yes, I agree, such a different era. There's a lot we didn't know, but so much has changed since then. So I feel you on that. So one of my last questions for you before we let the folks know how to work with you, where to find you all the things is around alignment, because I talk a lot about alignment on this show purpose and alignment. You're very much living in your purpose. I know like you love talking about the work you do, but I would also love to know what does alignment look like in your life right now? Not just work, but just in general, like taking care of yourself, like aligning with things that support your mission, personally, professionally, like what does that look like?
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, I think that's a great question. I will say there's two things that come to mind. I was talking about my reverends, my nieces and my nephews like one thing that I experienced two years ago, like I had a couple of family members pass away back to back, and it was such a like. It was such a reality check for me, because I love the work that we do and I put my whole body, spirit and soul into it. But I often spent so much time working that I myself was forgetting how to connect with folks in terms of spending more time with family and friends. So once that happened, that made it intentional for me to be like boy. I need a pause, like I need a hard reset and I need to try to like start seeing people and connecting with people.
Daphany Sanchez:The work is important, but what's more important is like the memories that I get to build with my family and it's selfish of me and I don't care Like the memories that I'm getting to build with my family, my friends, and like feeling like, as days go by, I'm enjoying that experience and knowing that community still exists and it's strong. So that's one thing that is very, very important to me in my alignment. The other thing and this goes into the petty competitiveness part of my People are going to be like damn, this girl sucks. No, I'm kidding, I know. No, my friend had been. She's going to kill me for this story. My friend was twerking and she broke her knee Right. Twerk when you're long, kind of thing I feel bad for laughing.
Daphany Sanchez:No, it's funny, I laughed at her.
Aliya Cheyanne:I hope she's okay.
Daphany Sanchez:No, it's great. She was twerking and she broke her like she broke her knee. She had to get surgery. And then she was like I'm going to run the marathon. I was like, if you're going to run the marathon with that knee, no, you can't, I'm going to run the marathon. I started running and we ran the marathon together last year. That's like a fun, funny, tragic but also beautiful story at the same time.
Aliya Cheyanne:That's really cool, yeah, there goes to my competitors.
Daphany Sanchez:I'm like, if she could do it, then I like what's, what's my excuse?
Daphany Sanchez:so I continue to run now, um, and I'm gonna try to do it again this year, um, but these are like things that I I have been trying to be more intentional in the past two years of being. Like. You know, I started the company when I was 25. I'm now 33. And I didn't realize how quickly time flew. And now that I'm this age, I'm like, oh, I don't want to be 43, 53, you know, 63, and thinking what happened, right, like, why? Like I love my work, but that's not everything. So I've been a lot more intentional, spending time with people outside of work that are just like people in my life, and then I've spent a lot of time trying to get my butt to hit the pavement and run, yeah and run.
Aliya Cheyanne:That's beautiful. I love that. Thank you for sharing that story, daphne. This has been such a beautiful conversation. So much wisdom, so much of your just energy, your vibrance, your personal story, your narrative. Thank you so much for sharing just being so vulnerable on the show and for just showing up as yourself, being authentic and brilliant. I love this conversation, so thank you.
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, no, thank you. I really was so nice to see you again.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, to talk to you. I love this. Can you let folks know where to find you, where to support your work? If anyone wants to work with KC3, any organizations out there, any individuals like, where can they find you? Yeah?
Daphany Sanchez:So we have LinkedIn, so feel free to connect with us on LinkedIn. My LinkedIn is just my name, daphne Rose Sanchez. Kc3's LinkedIn is Kinetic Communities Consulting, so feel free to reach out to us there. If you want to email us, you can email us at info at kc3.nyc.
Aliya Cheyanne:Amazing. Thank you so much. This has been so written.
Daphany Sanchez:Yeah, thank you.
