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Ep. 12 | Policing Women's Bodies, Ignored Cases of Missing Black Women, and Billionaire Escapades
This week the ladies discuss Carlee Russell & the longstanding history of missing Black women, Essence Fest Performances & Critiques & the OceanGate Submersible.
Resources:
- Carlee Russell Tweeted Multiple Times...
- History of Henry County, Alabama & the abduction of Recy Taylor
- Hold for Maintenance Pod: (Obio's Sneezes Have Entered the Chat)
- Sex Trafficking in the African American Community...
- Sex Trafficking of Black Women and Girls
- Why do we punish Black Women who...
- A tale of two disasters: Missing Titanic sub...
- The Submarine debacle is EXACTLY WHY...
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Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back. Hey y'all, Aliya Cheyenne here.
Tasia Marie:Tasia Marie and we are 3tingz.
Aliya Cheyanne:Bop, bop, bop. Anyway, Welcome, welcome that part.
Tasia Marie:Drop the bomb.
Aliya Cheyanne:We're back, guys, for another episode and we're excited that you're back here. I hope that if you're listening on your favorite podcast platform, cool If you're watching us on YouTube, hi, all right. So we have an episode today, so we are hitting on a few things. Today we are going to talk about Carlee Russell.
Tasia Marie:. She don't deserve Carlethia. Her mama named her Carlethia. We're going to call her Carleth ea. Okay, she is not a missing black woman.
Aliya Cheyanne:We're going to talk about her. We're going to talk about, you know, this whole period that we're in where everybody is just critiquing women's bodies. People are calling things boundaries that ain't really boundaries, like they don't know what the word means. We're going to talk about that a little bit, and I know it might feel like old news, because news happens fast, but we are going to talk about the submersible because we want to weigh in on that and share our thoughts. So why don't we kick off with Carly Thea?
Tasia Marie:Carlethea.
Aliya Cheyanne:So okay, before we get into it, what were your thoughts when everything was going down, before we found out that it wasn't true?
Tasia Marie:The crazy part is I was talking to mommy and I literally said I just hope, like she didn't need a break in. Just you know did that thing, but I hope she's alive, like I really hope she's alive. And then boom, she pops up. She ran through the woods and just mysteriously ran through a wooded area close to her home. Yeah, I'm very glad that she's alive. I think the most annoying part about the whole situation is like we have a whole rack of black and brown women that are missing, that don't get any type of publicity, like not televised at all, and these people went. They went all out like searching for your ass, and you went to fucking Target and bought some cheez-its and was tainting your nails all weekend. If you needed a minute to go offline, just tell people that.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah.
Tasia Marie:What were your thoughts?
Aliya Cheyanne:So I was definitely in the camp of sharing it and raising awareness because, as we've seen, like social media is a powerful tool for that and when I first saw, when I first heard about it, like my first thought was like I don't mean to sound fucked up, but if I saw a solo child quote unquote walking along a highway, I don't feel like we live in an era where I would necessarily stop. If it was a real situation, I might call the police and report when I witnessed, but I don't know that I'm stopping because when I first saw it, like my first thought was like sex trafficking.
Tasia Marie:So we got traffic, yep.
Aliya Cheyanne:We know that this industry it's not just men, but like they're using women and children to pull people in.
Aliya Cheyanne:So you? Unfortunately, we live in a world where you have to be extra cautious and mindful when trying to help or support or like check in on certain situations. So that was my first thought, like separately I'm so like paranoid about this shit like separately. The other day I was in a parking lot and it was packed and the only spot I saw open up, I went for it. I wasn't thinking about what I was next to when I went for it.
Tasia Marie:You parked it on a big white truck.
Aliya Cheyanne:When I parked in the spot, I looked to my right and I looked to my left and I was like, wait a minute. To my left was a black van, oh yeah, like a, maybe what is it Like? Those are like six-seaters or something, whatever, I don't know. To my right was this dingy white van with graffiti all over it and I was like this could totally be well and fine, but the way my mind works, was that they were waiting for me to hop out so I could get snatched.
Aliya Cheyanne:And thankfully the car behind me, I noticed, was leaving after I came to that realization. So all I did really was back up. I waited a couple seconds to make sure nobody was pulling in fast. I just backed up and I was like I'm a watch, these motherfuckers, because if somebody parks here I'm a watch because I was waiting for somebody else. So long story short, the guy Jamaican man came to the black van, drove off his little bag, whatever he got from the store. I didn't see anybody come to the white van, but I was like I'm not parking next to it.
Tasia Marie:So that's how like you have to be so conscious in this day and age because like shit be happening quick.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah. So when I first saw it I was like sex trafficking, like I was also like you know, I thought it was legit and I saw people casting doubt and I was in the camp that was like I'm not going to be so quick to disbelieve a black woman Like I. Right, that's right, there's a possibility. But I'm not going to be so quick to do that because lots of other kinds of women lie and they get slaps on the wrist for crazy situations. Lots of other women be out here I mean black women do it too but lots of other women be out here like full on doing worse things and they get slaps on the wrist. So I was like I don't want to be in the camp of people who don't believe her.
Aliya Cheyanne:When the news broke that it was not true, that the police didn't find any evidence of abduction, that she was casting off tweets right before, like her search history came out. Like you said, she went to the store. Like I saw something about Beyonce and Nashville. Like I saw something about maybe the boyfriend broke up with her. Like I saw I've seen a bunch of things.
Tasia Marie:Did you see I'm sorry to cut you off this morning like I think it was on the shade room or Hollywood unlocked, the sister the boyfriend's sister, like posted. You know her thoughts and what was going on. I did not see what was going on there.
Aliya Cheyanne:What did she basically say?
Tasia Marie:Basically, she was like she was going to bed like for Carly too Like she was like all the people I cussed out like I want to drop, kick her in the throat. But but she put an LOL after it. But she was like she's going through some stuff and her and her family need to come out and like tell the truth. So I'm like what do you mean? Her and her family need to come out and tell the truth, because her mom was on the news talking about she fought for her life for three days and I'm thinking in my head I'm like, damn, that's crazy. Like I'm so glad she came back. And then when the police department released that, I was like what did she buy? Cheezus with no water? Like I know Yadok could get gy. How was she fighting for her?
Aliya Cheyanne:life. Oh my gosh, I I am not disappointed that she is okay and she is safe. I am disappointed that, like you said, if she needed a break, that's how she went about getting her break. Like I was thinking about it earlier today too, I was like my phone lives on D and D and D. My phone lives on that, do not disturb and lives on personal. It lives on focus for work. You have me on that, like I, so I am an advocate for taking a break for silencing notifications, for taking a little step away if you need to and having a little getaway or whatever.
Aliya Cheyanne:Why did it have to be like that? Were they hoping that some kind of fame would come out of the situation or some sort of monetary gain? I'm just very I don't know. And it's just like why go to that great length? I've seen a lot of people talking about oh, perhaps it was a mental health crisis or break. I can understand that. I can definitely be sympathetic to that.
Aliya Cheyanne:It's just the scale that it reached was intense, and I have a couple of things. So y'all know I will always mention other pods I listen to, because I love podcasts, not just ours but others too. So I was listening to Hold for Maintenance and we mentioned that in the previous episode too. They had an episode that aired recently where they were vouching for her and the story, and while I was listening to that episode is when the news broke that it wasn't true.
Aliya Cheyanne:I literally saw Kimberley Foster. So if anybody follows or knows the For Harriet page, I literally saw her tweet oh no, carly Fuck. And I was like what is this about? So I'm looking on Twitter, I'm looking up articles and then, while I'm listening to that Hold for Maintenance podcast, I see a headline from Apple News about the police said no evidence of abduction. I'm just like no what?
Aliya Cheyanne:And what I will say about that Hold for Maintenance episode is that I mean obviously now we know it wasn't true, but they were raising some very, very good points about, like what Teja said earlier, the fact that a lot of times when black women and girls go missing, it's not national news or not national attention. It's like a quick clip on your local news that this person is missing. If that and like it rarely gets national attention, so I it's fucked up to be glad. But in a situation that I thought was real, that she really went missing, I was glad that it got national attention because it should like our lives are valuable too. Black women are valuable too. We deserve national attention when we go missing like any other woman. So but they raise some stats in the episode that I thought it was important to share here and I'm going to make sure that these articles are linked in the show notes for anyone who wants to go fact check.
Aliya Cheyanne:But you know there's a lot of indifference about black women that go missing. It's crazy. And in the Hold for Maintenance podcast they listed a stat from the National Center on Sexual Exploitation that said roughly 40% of sex trafficking victims are black, because traffickers target vulnerable populations that will cost the least amount of attention. So I keep stuff like that in mind, like we usually don't get this kind of attention and it's crazy. And then the other side of it too is like in situations that are real, a lot of times we're so quick to blame the victim versus the person who does it, because a lot of times we don't even know who that person is. They don't always get caught, yep. But the other thing that they raised in the podcast that I thought was just like insane but I get it is that another stat according to a study by the Urban Institute, the people who facilitate sex trafficking believe that if caught they'll receive a lighter sentence if the victims are black women.
Tasia Marie:Wow, the most disrespected, the most disrespected individual on the planet is Dishonored, uncared for everything.
Aliya Cheyanne:The black woman, the black woman. That's sad, it's very sad. And they said another quote in that episode that I thought was like. It made me think OBO. He said something along the lines of black women aren't fragile enough to take it, but are strong enough to endure it. And this is when we thought it was a real situation. But it makes you think about so many instances where we're not given compassion or sympathy or grace. When we experience a hard thing, we're expected to be strong, we're expected to bite our tongues and just deal with it.
Aliya Cheyanne:We're not always given the grace to be fragile or soft or deserving of care and kindness. Yep, and it's sad, it's so fucked up.
Tasia Marie:It's tough, man, it's really tough Like even thinking of and this is random, but what came to mind is, as a black woman, the Staniard Ground Law in Florida?
Aliya Cheyanne:I don't remember what's his name?
Tasia Marie:but her husband was abusing her and she literally just shot a warning. Shot into the air like leave me alone.
Aliya Cheyanne:I remember that case, yeah, and they threw her in jail. They were in jail.
Tasia Marie:Remind you, in a state where the Staniard Ground Law is real, like George Zimmerman is still a free man, a free man. How old would Trayvon Martin have been? Now 26?.
Aliya Cheyanne:I'd have been a grown man.
Tasia Marie:Sad and George Zimmerman is a free man. This woman shot. This black woman just shot a warning, shot into the air to let her husband know to leave her alone and she was jailed for years for standing her ground. Crazy. And the system that's created to protect us? It doesn't. Well, it wasn't created to protect us. It wasn't. That's why I said protect us like quote unquote, because it definitely wasn't. It's just tough man.
Aliya Cheyanne:It's sad and I think the other piece of this is we have a long history of indifference toward black women and girls experiencing violence or being kidnapped, and specifically that this happened in Alabama. I saw a TikTok and I'm going to link to this TikTok in the show notes of this woman who was talking about the history of a specific county, henry County in Alabama, and she was talking about the adduction of Risi Taylor, who only died a handful of years ago. And it was a case where this young girl was walking, walking somewhere, I think walking from church or to church or something, and she was abducted by white men, brutalized the R word.
Tasia Marie:Like you said, this happened a long time ago.
Aliya Cheyanne:She died a handful of years ago and even though they knew what happened, like those men weren't necessarily punished for it, it was like a normalcy in Henry County and like in a lot of the South, like just period. And there's a longstanding history of things like that happening and people going unpunished and unchecked and nobody feeling, nobody outside of our community feeling real sympathy for these young black girls and these young black women. And, you know, having contexts like that, the person was going on to say like when they see a headline about a black woman going missing, their first thought is not, this person is lying.
Tasia Marie:What was she doing?
Aliya Cheyanne:Their first not yeah, that's not their first thought. Their first thought is oh my God, what can we do to get them back? I hope they're safe, Like their first thought is. I hope they're safe Like we are in some situations, are not even granted the thought of safety. What has that meant to us? For us, historically? Like we've been perpetually unsafe, you know so speak on it.
Aliya Cheyanne:It's just. It's just so fucked up and sad and like again, I will reiterate that I'm glad she's safe. I'm disappointed that it was not true. I'm disappointed that so many people were invested in her safety only to find out that it was not true. Am I disappointed or ashamed that I believed it and that I shared it because I wanted her back safely? No, and if and when the next thing comes up because it will come up, because it always comes up, because we are always getting snatched up and brutalized in the news I will share it again. And I feel like that's the power of social media, Like a lot of times when the news ain't covering this shit we're finding out about it on TikTok on.
Aliya Cheyanne:Instagram on YouTube, and it's because people are making noise at these stories garnered national attention. So when the next time it pops up and it's real, unfortunately I might quickly think about Carly. But it's not going to deter me from wanting to make noise about it and hoping that whoever it is makes it home safe.
Tasia Marie:Definitely, definitely. And like also in sharing that news because there's you guys know well, you know for short, but I'm in the DMV area and there is a page that I follow on Instagram called Kill Mo News, and this page gives all the news that you would never, ever get like just watching the news or hearing things, and especially like news in areas where we are as black people and minorities and they definitely have posted.
Tasia Marie:they posted about Carly too, if I'm not mistaken. That's how I actually learned about her being missing like through their post. What I'm saying is to say like, regardless of how her situation went down very disappointing how it went down it was great to see how everyone was like reposting her to make sure that her face was seen and her name was known. Like I knew her name, I knew her face. I knew she was a nursing student. I knew her red Benz was left to decide on the road, like with all her stuff. Like I knew who she was. I knew her face. So it was good to see that.
Tasia Marie:So I hope that her situation doesn't stop that and people do keep reposting, because just cause she cried wolf does not mean that there are not wolves. That part we're not even aware of out there, that part. So, yeah, definitely keep reposting. Shame on you, carly. If you needed a break, just take your break. And also, well, no, I'm not going to say shame on you, carly, because we all go through our things and we all handle different things differently and we handle things differently.
Tasia Marie:So the way that she handled it is the way that she felt she needed to handle it at that point in time. We don't know what she was going through mentally, spiritually, physically, emotionally and that's what she felt she needed to do at that time. Maybe she didn't have any outlets that she could talk to or turn to, so that's another thing too. But keep reposting and keep sharing. Don't let this one situation just shun you. I know I was talking shit about Carly Fia, but I'm very glad that she is home, because that definitely is the first thing I said. I was like man. I really just hope she needed a break. Essentially, I think that's what it is. We all need that break and we all figure out how to take it in different ways.
Aliya Cheyanne:So, just if you're listening to this, if you need a break, find a different way next time.
Tasia Marie:Yeah, that's a lot of money that went into finding her, like a lot of energy that went into finding her. And there is another person, another black woman child, black or brown woman child that's currently missing in Alabama who those resources could have went to. So, the same way that they search for Carly, I hope they keep that same energy moving forward whenever we are reported missing, because trafficking is real, human trafficking is real. It's scary, it is scary, it's really scary. Like I had a former student who went missing and a year later her body was found in the woods. Jesus Christ, so it's real. We really have to pay attention and repost. So, thankfully, carly is okay. Thankfully, we're going to get past the fact that she googled, taken and had cheesed and nail polish. We're going to get past that fact because we need to see the bigger picture and all the other missing black and brown women and kids. We need that publicity as well. We need that energy.
Aliya Cheyanne:It's really sad about that student, but, yeah, like we need to be ultra committed to finding everybody, but especially black and brown women and children, like we, like we are valuable to like I'm tired of trying to convince the world that we are valuable to like. I'm tired of it like so and we touched on this before just the power of social media and this is not like. This is not completely the same. But I will also say, like there are situations where, if it wasn't for social media, like we probably would not know, like things that happen in very like backwater country gas places, we would not know, if it wasn't for social media, we probably wouldn't know about Ajika Ajay Owens.
Aliya Cheyanne:like right mom of the four kids who was killed through a door, over an iPad, by that racist, horrible woman, susan Lawrence whatever the fuck her name is. We probably wouldn't know if it wasn't for social media, because they weren't even going to make an arrest For that. They only did it, the sheriff only did it and made noise because because of social media, like even.
Aliya Cheyanne:Ralph yall situation and that demon, andrew Lester. Like we might not have known about that case and that story if it wasn't for social media, and that is why they're trying so hard to limit us on these platforms and take them away, because they recognize the power of it. So don't think for one second that any attack on Tick, tock, anything that that fucking Elon Musk is doing on Twitter, don't think for a second that any of that shit is not on purpose. Okay, right, pay attention.
Tasia Marie:Pay attention, pay attention, pay attention. I think that's an amazing segue into policing women's bodies. That part.
Aliya Cheyanne:So I feel like this is going to be an umbrella topic, but y'all have seen the situations recently with Kiki Palmer and her I think is that her ex. Now Are they still together?
Tasia Marie:I don't know. I could have said classy on social.
Aliya Cheyanne:She keeps the classy on social. I saw I could have sworn. I saw something that said they broke up, but I don't know for sure, we're not confirmed. But anyway, the father of her child, the father of her child, there we go. Who? I don't remember that name, but apparently he's.
Tasia Marie:Sirunis's brother. Yeah, the nigga from insecure the tall light skinned one.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, I think he played Drow this character on insecure that I go. Yeah, we saw the commentary from India. I read about Essence Fest and Janelle Monay having little pasty things on her nipples but the titties being free. And Meg the stallion, torque, torque, torquian.
Tasia Marie:I should do.
Aliya Cheyanne:We saw India Ari's commentary about how we shouldn't be feeding into over sexualized stereotypes. Blah, blah, blah. And yeah, that Jonah Hill situation, with him expressing his boundaries, which you know. Her releasing those texts a year later, like I don't know, but whatever. So the theme for this is stop policing women's bodies, stop thinking you fucking own women Like even as a woman like if you see something you don't like, it's not you.
Tasia Marie:What I eat does not make you shit. Don't yuck my yum.
Aliya Cheyanne:Like let people be. Like that whole situation with Kiki and I've seen a lot of commentary around this and some people have provided really good commentary around this, like Shambudram on the lovers and friends podcast and some other folks it's just this idea that, like, when women become mothers, like people feel like, especially sometimes they're father's kids and society feels like they are no longer allowed to be sexy and liberated and free and it's crazy. Like women have autonomy and control over their own bodies, we can wear what we want. Like it's crazy and call and hurry your wife when y'all not married. Like, like sir, like please sit down somewhere.
Aliya Cheyanne:And I've seen a lot of things, too that I think are a little emasculating, like some people are, like have been like how dare you sit up on the internet that Kiki pays for and criticize her publicly on? Like how dare you in the house that Kiki pays for Well, how do we know?
Tasia Marie:Because what does?
Aliya Cheyanne:he do Exactly. That's how we know. I don't know anything about him, I don't know what he does, but Kiki is like I. She's quite obviously the breadwinner, in my opinion, like between them, like we don't know him or what he does, and he's certainly not bringing in an income like her. So I've seen a lot of people critiquing him to be like sir, like sit down, like how dare you?
Tasia Marie:But regardless of incomes, like because he could be a secret billionaire or not, own some company and have money, but regardless, not like. The end of the day, she like I saw nothing wrong with that If that was Ed Sharon, that she was doing that too. If Ed Sharon was singing to her, he wouldn't have the same response. Is it because it's Urscher? Right? Yeah, urscher does it to everyone. I forgot what. I forgot what female celebrity it was recently. But she was like, I discovered the trick. Like because apparently he came to sing to her and she got up and she sat in her man's lap and he was like.
Aliya Cheyanne:Oh, winnie Harlow, Wasn't it, winnie Harlow?
Tasia Marie:I guess. So Maybe it was her, but I was cracking up but I was like y'all really have your panties in a bunch because usher is singing to these women. Usher is a married man.
Aliya Cheyanne:Just have a baby, right.
Tasia Marie:And he doesn't. Even I'm not going to say that.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, but we might need to hold off. Like he don't want Kiki, he don't want any of them. Like I've seen people say. Like it's a part of the performance he is a performer. Like it is a part of the performance to serenade whatever celeb is in the audience Like Sidebar and they're going to feed into it. They're going to feed into it. I was saying sidebar. I don't know if Kim K has ever actually made it to an usher concert, but like she did, she made it.
Aliya Cheyanne:There was an episode in the current season of Keeping Up with the Current Ashenians where they were trying to surprise her for her birthday to take her out to see usher. She didn't know she was going to see usher and but she knew that like they were going to Vegas but the plane like couldn't land safely or some shit like that. Like there was a lot of turbulence or whatever. So they had to her private jet had to turn back because they couldn't land safely, so she wasn't able to go that time. So I didn't I didn't realize that she made it again, but like I was thinking to myself, had she been able to make it that night, she probably would have been the celeb that got pulled up on stage. You know, like it's a part of his performance. Like he does that with celebrity women in the audience and like expressing your insecurity or jealous. Jealousy or misogyny, misogyny or on Twitter in that moment. It's just strange. Like it also brought up a conversation of like it's not okay to like publicly critique your partner like that on social media.
Aliya Cheyanne:Like these are conversations you got to have, like in private is y'all in the relationship. That's not the world in the relationship.
Tasia Marie:Like at the end of the day, but every like who is who said this? Like opinions are like an asshole. Everyone has one.
Aliya Cheyanne:True, and us on this podcast, right I?
Tasia Marie:have an asshole. But, like everyone always has an opinion to say on something I remember, recently on social media I saw and this isn't even about policing women's bodies, it's just about policing period people in general. Pastor Dietrich and his wife. He recently, I think he celebrated like his 50th birthday. His wife threw him a 50th birthday party and she was dancing on him. Like she turned around and she was I wouldn't necessarily call it twerking, but like she was doing a little dance on him and the church folk were up in arms. Like she should not be out there twerking on him.
Tasia Marie:And da, da, da, da, da da, ma'am, that's her husband. Yeah, like, regardless if he's a pastor or not, like he's a young pastor. Like she was throwing it back and he was accepting it. That's what they do. Are you mad? They're married. Like how are we going to get mad? How do you think they have the kids they have? Like why are we constantly I'm not going to lie, because you know we all have our opinions and we've all said shit about shit before but in certain situations, like come on now.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah.
Tasia Marie:That whole Kiki situation, the dress that she had on she's a mother, but she looked damn good she looked damn good, she felt, damn good Okay. And I literally was saying that the other day I was like man, like every Kiki was always beautiful, but like ever since she's had this baby, it's like a glow, like she leveled up, yeah, like it's a new level that's opened up for her. So like living it, girl, love that body. She said her baby gave her the booty like that she has now.
Aliya Cheyanne:And the fact that she's spoken about it so publicly in more ways than one, like the glow, the fact that her acne has cleared up a lot Like so many things have changed, like she's really in an era where she is just like loving on herself and loving on her body. And here this nigga comes.
Tasia Marie:Right.
Aliya Cheyanne:Someone else had also mentioned at one point, like prior to this whole situation it wasn't too long before that where she was wearing something like, where she wasn't fully covered, basically, and he tweeted or shared something, some kind of post, showing her off in it, but it was, quote, unquote, different, because I guess he was the one who did it, like he was the one who made whatever post. And it's like it goes back to this thinking you own and you can do what you want, like if a woman and it wasn't even like she was the one like recording herself in that moment, other people were recording that moment, you know, but because other people got to it first, because he wasn't the one sharing it, Right.
Aliya Cheyanne:It was an issue. So I just feel like men got to stop thinking they own their partner's body, like whether that's your girlfriend, whether that's your fiance, whether that's your wife, like seriously like and learn to have conversations like in your relationship like in, like within within, like not through social media, like actually within not through social media.
Aliya Cheyanne:And, like in a lot of instances, we only know about him through her and their relationship. So like the fact that you would even go to a big old platform like that to make commentary on someone who's such a who's a much bigger personality and like presence in the industry than you, like who we know, we know, we don't even know you, like that, it's just kind of like crazy.
Tasia Marie:Yeah.
Aliya Cheyanne:And on that note too, essence fest. You know Janelle Moniz and their new era. I love this era with, you know, showing, showing the body, like showing the body off in a way that we're not used to, because a lot of folks are so used to the uniform and the previous iteration of Janelle.
Tasia Marie:Moniz, I love it so much.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, and it's who has found their freedom and is finding their body and like getting settled into it. And I was listening to something the other day where they were talking about how essence fest you know, essence fest had a little drama this year because apparently there was like a black owned bookstore that wanted to have an event and they got like a cease and the sister some type of shit from essence fest, because it was like happening on the same weekend and they had to shut their event down and it was a whole thing. The mayor in New Orleans like got got involved and was like you know, big events like this are tough, like it shouldn't have an impact like that on our local black owned businesses, like it was a whole thing, wow. But on the other hand, like essence fest has traditionally been, like you know, for a different generation, for like for the aunties, and like it's become a little bit more mainstream. Now there are like younger generations who are wanting to partake and participate and they've like started to adapt to that audience, which is why they have the genomic name, which is why they have the Meg the stallion, you know, this year and I'm sure there are a lot of women who might agree with India are these critique and comments, but for the different generation who is out here, being free, like not everybody feels the same way, and I just feel like, from one black woman to another, like we got to be mindful Even if we're trying to call attention to stereotypes, we got to be mindful about how we are also perpetuating, perpetuating those things too, by even calling it out in that kind of way, like yeah, you know, like I just don't feel like everyone's entitled to their opinion, like the asshole quote that you said earlier.
Aliya Cheyanne:But I'm just like I could not have a platform like that and like be out here talking about another black woman that way, like I just yeah, I just yeah.
Tasia Marie:Again, like what Janelle Monáe eats does not make India a re-shit, so let her live and be free. But I think it is what she said, like that shocking factor, like we're so used to seeing her covered up, so like seeing her out there, like where it's hitting out and you know, being free is just like oh, this is new.
Aliya Cheyanne:This is new, it's different.
Tasia Marie:Right, but like live and let people live. At the end of the day, she's not bothering anyone. It's not like she was on stage selling pussy.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah.
Tasia Marie:Like she's fine. Just because that's not your cup of tea, don't watch the performance. Turn the channel, like yeah, keep scrolling on Instagram. You don't have to let that bother you.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah.
Tasia Marie:Let people do what they do and be who they be.
Aliya Cheyanne:If she got an issue with that, I don't want to see her ever see a big writer, sukiyana. But also like, on that note, even if you are on stage selling a certain persona and doing a certain thing, like it doesn't license or warrant, like inappropriate behavior, like without consent. Like those things are part of a performance.
Aliya Cheyanne:Like anything that was happened in that stage was part of a performance, yeah, sensual and agreed upon, whereas this might feel a little bit like old news. But that whole situation with Sukiyana and YKO Cyrus, yeah, where you know he kind of forced, not kind of he forcefully kissed her. She didn't agree to that or or she did not invite it. I don't care how she performs, I don't care how she acts.
Tasia Marie:I don't care how she dresses.
Aliya Cheyanne:She did not invite it because she did not give explicit consent for him to do that. She did not say it's okay for you to do it. He did not ask, he did it on his own accord. So even in those situations where you feel like some, you know someone's performing a certain way suggestively or saying certain things, unless it's consensual it's not acceptable. And I know not too long after she was catching heat again because I guess she had a performance and she consented to a fan and then making a gesture with the booty on stage, people are like how you out here complaining about YKO Cyrus, but this is acceptable. You know what's acceptable about it? It was consensual.
Tasia Marie:Yeah, people don't understand consent.
Aliya Cheyanne:They don't Especially head of row people.
Tasia Marie:Yeah, that's very true.
Aliya Cheyanne:As a head of row person like we do not. We do not understand consent, we don't like, we don't.
Tasia Marie:I teach consent, like the kids laughing me, but I'm like consent is huge because just because someone's agreeing to make out with you does not mean that that person wants to necessarily fuck you. Exactly, just because someone might let you finger them does not mean that that person wants to fuck you. Consent is literally at every stage, like you have to be sure and it's not going to be. Oh, can I touch you here, can I kiss there? For some people it may be that, but like, making sure you get that clarification before you go there. And no, it may not always be that asking that question, but if your head is heading down south, you better make eye contact to make sure that this cool, all right, we're good to go. Yeah, like.
Tasia Marie:But consent is the thing that a lot of people don't think about. And, as women, people feel like women's bodies are just out there for the taken. Like in the summertime, when it's hot and women are dressing in a bit less clothing, like men feel like it's okay to go out there and tell you well, she got all short shorts so I could just touch her. No, nigga, that's not how it works. She is on short shorts because she feels comfortable in short shorts. That doesn't warrant you the right to touch her body.
Tasia Marie:The fuck you were, though.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, it's crazy.
Tasia Marie:Consent is just like not a thing. People just feel like if you naked you out there for the taken and that's just not how it works.
Aliya Cheyanne:That's like I'm not going to deep dive on this, but that's like the footage from FreakNik coming out. That's been a whole fucking thing.
Tasia Marie:Wait a minute, wasn't there? Like it wasn't FreakNik. It was something that happened recently and like the videos came out and people were just having sex like in the open and like eating pussy and sucking dick. It was some kind of festival that recently happened. It was in I think it was in Houston.
Aliya Cheyanne:Oh, I don't know anything about that. I haven't seen that.
Tasia Marie:Oh man, yeah, because people were like man, this, this is some wild, like wild stuff. Like everyone wasn't doing it, but there were like quite a few people in the crowd and again consent. Yeah, oh my God, what was that festival? I cannot think of what it was.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, I don't, I'm not, I haven't seen anything about that, but I think just along those lines is like I feel like we operate in the gray too much as like as a people I've said for a while I think not that things, not that inappropriate things, don't happen. But I've even learned more about the nature of consent from like the LGBTQ community because there are like some pages that I've followed around like queer. I think one page is queer sex therapy. Another page I follow the person is by or or pan, I'm not sure, but they are also polyamorous and they have a lot of conversations about what it looks like in those dynamics, in those situations. Even even see the thing is pod Mandy considers herself bisexual, she's one of the hosts of the pod and she talks about how consent is so important to her, like if she doesn't see it in like dating dynamics early, like that's cause for concern for her.
Aliya Cheyanne:And in a semi recent episode she was talking about a date she went on where the guy literally was just so careful with her, like even at the end of the night, like she got home safely. Like he asked can I kiss you earlier in the date? He asked can I hold your hand earlier in the date. He asked is it okay if I sit like this and you come sit in front of me, like it doesn't have to be like that for everybody, but right, it's just like it's not just for actual the act of penetration like it starts earlier than that.
Aliya Cheyanne:So yeah we're not fun and tangent a little bit, but the I didn't.
Tasia Marie:Even in a relationship, consent still has to be a thing to oh absolutely. People just feel like because you're in a relationship, you own some. You can never own some one. Like, people are not things, you can't own them.
Aliya Cheyanne:So consent is always a definite it's always a definite and like I feel like it can. It can go both ways, like around this, and I'm not talking about extreme cases where, like, somebody really says no and somebody like keeps going. But I feel like we operate in the gray too much where it's like sometimes, like even if it is a part, like partners or people who are dating where they're like you know, I'm not really like in the mood and it's like you you're trying to like convince you know, like child some, some growing up there in many relationships.
Aliya Cheyanne:But just being mindful of that and then also feeling like you don't have to, you don't, you don't own anyone's body, like yeah, that's having a certain personality and I and I get the dynamics of around.
Aliya Cheyanne:Like black women have always been like hyper sexualized and over sexualized. So when you have artists who are out here, like feeding into that, like I get it, but I'm also just like that is their performance art, that is the type of music that they've decided to do, that is their fan base is into. Like that's what sells for them, that's what works, and like not everybody is going to be out here wrapped up, covered up, not dance like baby. That's the type of music you want.
Tasia Marie:Like you got to find another artist like yeah, I mean, that's the beauty of the world today you can find whatever your niche is.
Aliya Cheyanne:You can find someone or something that is within that niche yeah, so and I guess, just like this also doesn't have to be a long thing, but also just picking up on the Jonah Hill Cerebrity situation. So even those tweets that were leaked around, you know Jonah Hill, like, first of all, there's a large age gap there at the time that they were dating. Like how old was she? She was in her early 20s when they were dating and he, I think he was like 38, 39 if I'm not mistaken. Like for them, that was a pretty big gap. Like there are different stages in their life. Especially is like that kind of dynamic and there was a lot of conversation around like you know how they met. Like she's a swim instructor. Like he met her doing what she does. Like he met her posting the way she posts. Like he met her doing the things that she did.
Aliya Cheyanne:And I guess he was trying to communicate at the time because again, these texts were released a year later, at the time that you know those things weren't going to work for him anymore in order for the relationship to move forward, and he expressed it as it being a like a boundary, and I feel like that whole situation opened up a conversation around boundaries and what boundaries mean and how they work, and I feel like people have often misinterpreted what boundaries mean and how they work. Like boundaries are things that you set for yourself. They are how you decide to operate and navigate spaces and their parameters that you set for yourself. If someone crosses your boundary like, you can express displeasure, you can express dissatisfaction, you can express that you would like an adjustment to be made. But if they don't do that, it's not on them to do that. It's on you to decide. This person is not. This person is not honoring my boundaries.
Aliya Cheyanne:I need to make a decision about how I can move forward like do I want to stay in whatever dynamic with them and constantly have them impede on my boundaries and me not like uphold it or no adjustment, adjustments or whatever is made on their part, or do I want to exit stage left because this person doesn't know how to respect my boundaries? Like it's about you and this, like the way that it was framed in the messages was kind of like well, these are my boundaries for the relationship, not in like, not in a way that was like it was more like stipulations, not really boundaries, because it's like you're trying to change her and you're trying to make her conform to what works best for you and what makes you the most secure and what makes you the most comfortable, and that's not how it works.
Aliya Cheyanne:Like I'm glad they eventually made a decision that was like we're not gonna work because, this is what I need in one right now, but I'm also just like that whole thing was a mess.
Tasia Marie:But I never understand, like, so if you met her in her element, doing what she does, like you already know who she is. Why? I never understand, like, why would you try to get into a relationship with someone that you're trying to change? You got into the relationship because you see that person for who they are and you love them for who they are.
Aliya Cheyanne:So or, you like, the physical, because I feel like that's what it was in that situation with him and her, definitely.
Tasia Marie:Like, but then like well, yeah, that'll definitely come out. If it's just physical, then that definitely starts to show in no time. Cause physical dies, like what happens when she gets older, like people age.
Aliya Cheyanne:Physical dies for sure, yeah, yeah, so, but that's why. Yeah, that's why I was gonna say like physical dies for sure. But I also think it's a thing, unfortunately, in like relationships with some men, where if that's how they get you, that's not necessarily how they want you to stay. Like if they see you out, yeah, like if they see you out looking hot and looking good, they want you, but then once they have you, they don't want everybody else to see that.
Aliya Cheyanne:They don't want them to be attracted to you, they don't want them to see your light. So they start chipping away at things and trying to change you and it's just like come on now.
Tasia Marie:I saw a post on Instagram about that this week. There was a guy. He was like he doesn't want his girl wearing short skirts or anything, but when he met her, like that's how he met her. She was like it wasn't an issue when we were dating and when we first got together. And now that we're like in an official relationship, he's just like I don't want you wearing that stuff anymore, damn. But like that's how you met her. And then even on I watch 90 day fiance you know, I'm a reality TV.
Aliya Cheyanne:I know me too, girl me too.
Tasia Marie:So before, is it before no 90 the other way. So this girl has this guy in South Africa and she changed into like this dress, but I guess the dress was too short, Like, and he was like he straight shoulder like that dress too short, you shouldn't have that on, Okay, sir. Sir, she wore this for you, Like she just took a 20 something hour flight all the way to South Africa to see you and got cute for you after she got off the plane and that's the first thing that you greet her with. So again, policing bodies, If that's the way that you met him like, if you met that girl and she was in the club and you saw the cusp of her ass, cheeks and the you know the supple voluptuousness of her breasts and she was wearing a body con dress and they all went in a first date and you know it kind of was the same, and the day that she went on after she dressed the same. When you decided that she wanna make this woman like your official woman, don't try to change her.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah.
Tasia Marie:You loved all of that while y'all were dating. Yep, like just cause you have and I think I had to learn this too. In relationships, like if someone is staring at the person that you're with, that's kind of a compliment, yeah, you know you got a bad bitch. Right, but like you, just also, you also have to. There also comes that. What's the word? I'm looking for the trust in that relationship, to know that you know y'all got each other Exactly.
Aliya Cheyanne:I completely agree with you on all of that. It was funny, though why you're talking I thought about is the specific memory I had back in the day in my previous bad bitch era in my twenties. There was one guy I was we're not gonna talk about that relationship, but there was one guy I was seeing and it's not who you think it is. We're not saying names, but it's not who you think it is. Anyway, it's not. It was before him.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, there was one time I was dating this guy when I was in college and I was slim back then. I had a nice little shape, I was a little cute Slim thing and I remember he had come down to my school area one day and we had a little date in the area, whatever. And when we were walking back to the train I had an acute little blue and black striped dress and it was very fitted. And I remember we were passed and passed some construction workers and I wasn't paying them any mind because I was all into him. I didn't know what was going on, I was looking at nothing, but I guess they were looking at me and he was looking at back at all of them and then he goes.
Aliya Cheyanne:He was real ghetto. He was like the wolves is out, yeah, the wolves is out, yeah, the wolves is out. And I didn't know what was going on. So I was like, huh, I was like whoa wolves but Wolf of man, yeah. But he felt good about that. He was like said that and kind of had a little smirk Like yeah, nigga, that's mine. Like not in a possessive controlling owner's own way, but like, yeah, that's what me.
Aliya Cheyanne:She's with me, you know. I gotta get back to that man. That was an error. Anyway, that's another episode, all right. So not a smooth transition, but submersible, submersible.
Tasia Marie:Hey, we can sink into this one. I'm sorry.
Aliya Cheyanne:Oh, my God Going to hell Lord forgive me. Ok, oh shit.
Tasia Marie:Wait a minute, stop, because you make my head itch.
Aliya Cheyanne:Oh God.
Tasia Marie:So submersible I'm not going to lie to y'all this motherfucking submersible had me gripped Like I was like, oh my God, they got like 60 hours left. Went to sleep, woke up I was like they still ain't find this submersible. Oh my God, they only have like 40 hours left. Oh my God.
Tasia Marie:Like and then when they said and imploded, I was like wait, wait a minute. And then it went back to that was a million dollars, these full. That was over a million dollars because they paid $250,000 for a seat. It was five of them on there. Y'all paid to die.
Tasia Marie:Like that's just wild to me. But the crazier part to me is and I think it's, I think his name is Walulda Kid, I think he Walulda Kid or Gilly the Kid, one of them. But he was saying they had asked them about this submersible and he was like man, did that shit even really happen? Like we don't see any videos or any footage of them actually getting into the submersible. It had to be bolted. It was like 17 bolts that have to be put on it, right?
Tasia Marie:Because my biggest thing was OK, even if they do find the motherfucking submersible floating, how are they going to get to them? Like, how are they going to get them out? Because they definitely said there was no way for them to haul them. Like this is just a bad situation to begin with. But OK, here goes my conspiracy theory working in my mind, right, so these guys are pretty affluent, they have money. Two of them were billionaires, right, it's me in my head. Maybe they did that to collect on life insurance I mean, I know you have money or maybe they did that to go MIA, like are they really gone? Or are they in another realm? Because the deep waters is like space, it's like outer space, just in another way. So that show manifests. I don't know. I just feel like these niggas are going to pop up five years from now. We're going to see them and be like I thought you were with the Titanic.
Aliya Cheyanne:Girl. I feel like we should have done the Black conspiracy theories thread for this episode, but like before you go.
Tasia Marie:It was a cover up, because I definitely was saying what is this a cover up for? Like the government is doing some shit right now they have us hooked on this submersible. But remember there was that I said mutant. Wow, there was a migrant ship leaving from Libya on the way to Greece and there were hundreds of people who actually died because that ship sunk and we did not really pay attention to that because of this damn submersible.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, but also, largely, do we ever because? Does it ever get covered the way it should be? When people are using a boat and not using boats built for the sea, the deep sea, to escape whatever country they're escaping from? And it happens regularly? I feel you on the ocean being. I definitely feel like as above, so below, just like Suez, you can't breathe down there, just like you can't breathe in space. We've only explored a very, very, very, very, very small portion of the ocean. We really don't know what's at the depths of the ocean, the pressure down there, yeah, we just don't know. So there's a lot of thoughts and ideas about what's actually going down in the deep sea. But, yeah, I feel like the other part of this too is I had heard something after the fact that I guess it was either the Navy or some other branch. I'm assuming it's the Navy. Apparently, they heard the sonic boom when it was Coast guard. Oh, the coast guard. They heard the sonic boom when it imploded, but they couldn't disclose much because it would give up, like their location or whatever, like operations they were running or whatever. So the search continued.
Aliya Cheyanne:The search continued, even though some folks knew like, oh, like you know, and I just kept thinking to myself I'm already like kind of claustrophobic. So, even if I had the resources, there's no fucking way you would catch me in something like that. Ain't no way. And like, yeah, we didn't see any footage from this time. Like you know, if they were capturing anything like going into it, I don't know how we would.
Aliya Cheyanne:If it, like you know, whatever was being recorded on the inside, if it imploded, like I don't know how we get that in the sea, like I don't know if there's Wi-Fi down there, but just like, yeah, no one really recorded in advance, but I did see footage of, like someone who had gone on it previously, where it didn't implode, you know, previously, and they, you know, were taking camera footage on their iPhone about what it was like inside when it was first getting submerged, whatever. Like obviously those are people who survived that voyage and that trip because it didn't explode at that time. But I'm just like the whole thing that came out about where the owner was getting like the parts from right.
Aliya Cheyanne:The fact that it was being controlled with, like a game controller, yeah, and I saw the footage of them actually like bolting it closed. I was like this, this bolt is going to withstand the pressure of the ocean. And the fact that it came out that, like you know, so many people were warning like I think they had gotten some letter that they needed to stop operating it. Like so many people are warning them that you shouldn't do it. And even like, don't vouch for James Cameron for nothing. Like you know, the one who directed the Titanic movie and the Avatar movies, but he is like really in this, like deep sea diver and really into that stuff. And even he was like after the fact was like this shit should not have happened, this should not, you know. So it was just crazy to me. And there's go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I was just going to say I don't know how true this is, but I saw something once Apparently, and I can't like I don't even remember where I saw it.
Aliya Cheyanne:I wish I would have saved it, but it was like apparently they were not. It was not really about the Titanic ever. It was always about oil, oil and potential like drilling sites and stuff in the sea. So there's all kind of things coming out after it happened. And the crazy part is like I don't know if that's still the case today, but I know a while back I had seen an article that said, like on the website for the company, how they still have, like you can't, I don't think you can book anything right now, but they're still talking about a 2024, a 2024 expedition. I'm just like what the fuck?
Tasia Marie:Yeah, I think they had to end up taking that down all together, but there's a documentary on Netflix where the James what's his name? James Cameron Cameron, he actually. They go down to the Titanic with the submersible.
Tasia Marie:And then my other thing with the submersible, too, it's like y'all were going down to the Titanic literally just to see this shit at the bottom of the ocean, because when I watched that documentary they went down in a submersible Clearly a legit submersible that could be controlled on its own and then they also had like little bots that they deployed once they got down there so the robots could actually go into the Titanic and this is something that they actually like mapped out Like they were sitting above ground. They had the little replicas of, you know, the Titanic and like where they were going to go. They mapped everything out like this shit just seemed like hey man, I just got money and I ain't got nothing better to do, why not go see the Titanic? That's like people paying to go to outer space, and like those shuttles that Elon Musk built, like those two that blew up.
Aliya Cheyanne:That was like, yeah, that billionaire rush to make it to space, yeah like come on, I don't know man, it's just, I don't.
Tasia Marie:That's the submersible having in the grip. Though it did, I'm not going to lie.
Aliya Cheyanne:It did.
Aliya Cheyanne:And I know like there was a whole thing going around where, like you know, people were making jokes about it, basically because there's a lack of sympathy around mega rich people wasting money like that to die, like to be so, to be so rich that you have money to waste on that level to die. And apparently, like, apparently, in whatever waiver they sign, like it says, like it had said, possibility of death, like multiple times, several times on the first page, and I'm like you know how people be, though, when, like, if you're doing any kind of activity and you have to sign a waiver, like most, of the time, like you, don't think nothing's really going to happen.
Aliya Cheyanne:You just sign it because you want to participate in the activity, so I get that. But at the same time I'm just like to have that much money to waste, to just not make. It is insane and, like many of us did not feel sympathy or empathy for that situation.
Aliya Cheyanne:Like I think, some people felt bad for the kid, like the youngest kid that was on there, the 19 year old son, but a lot of us didn't because, at the end of the day, like that's a lot of money that could literally change the lives of a lot of communities and people like Jesse Wu, who's like a Haitian music artist and the personality influence her, all of that, like she had done a video on Instagram I saw a while back and she was talking about her like local town, I guess, back in Haiti, and how she was thinking about bringing water to it, like building a well and how much the well would cost, and it's like the money that they spent on this submersible could literally transform communities like that that need, like basic access to water and things like that.
Aliya Cheyanne:So when you're living in an era where people are really struggling to make ends meet, to buy food, to pay rent, to pay for childcare, like we, these egregious displays of wealth and to be so stupid to literally have so much money you don't know what to do with it, to be so stupid with it, like people don't have a lot of sympathy about that and I'm not one of the people.
Aliya Cheyanne:I didn't. I didn't have sympathy. I was like y'all literally paid to die. You can't. You could have came together and use that money to do something different, to radically transform the lives of other people, and no, instead you paid for your death. So listen, I saw a post by some somebody on Instagram where they basically were like you spent all that money and the souls on the Titanic were excited to greet you Like yeah they didn't even make it all the way down there. But you know, so it is what it is.
Tasia Marie:That's crazy, man. And then, furthermore, like things like that. Why are we always like, even if I had the money and even if this submersible was like a legit thing, like, let's say, years from now, they actually do have tours down to the Titanic and it's like a legit thing why the fuck do I want to go underwater where all these people lost their lives? Like I understand, like going to memorials, like we go to memorials above ground, but to go out of your way and pay 250,000, that's a quarter of a million dollars. Like, and my man spent half a meal because he paid for a ticket for him Originally it was supposed to be his wife. And then my other thing too like they weren't recording her, the son was claiming let me not use the quotes, but the son was supposed to break the world record for the Rubik's Cube.
Aliya Cheyanne:Oh, I didn't even know that underwater.
Tasia Marie:So I'm like, if he was going to do that, why wouldn't you film him getting in there, like why wouldn't you know? I don't know, it's just that whole situation just seems a bit a bit fishy, just a bit fishy, yeah.
Tasia Marie:But also like we sensationalize the dumb shit because, again, that the coverage of the migrant boat that's sunk in, all those hundreds of people who lost their lives and hundreds of people who actually did make it to Greece, like, okay, what's happened to them now? Where are they? Yeah, you know, are they actually? Are they going to be able to stay in Greece? Because they were trying to escape Libya, because of the conditions they were living in?
Aliya Cheyanne:in the warfare.
Tasia Marie:So are they able to stay now, like, yeah, I know there's just a lot that was going on during that time, even because I think, like during that submersible time was at that time where we heard like the sonic no, it wasn't. No, it wasn't online, because there was that point where we heard the sonic boom here, but that was a whole nother situation where that plane was flying and the no flight.
Tasia Marie:Yeah, because I was also like, well, what's the government trying to do here? Because I damn sure heard that sonic boom. Yeah, I was like what the hell? I never heard a train sound like that before.
Aliya Cheyanne:Right, but I don't know, that whole situation is crazy. But on the conspiracy theory line, like I can see that and I can get it because I feel like there was a while too where the like a couple of planes, like flights, disappeared out of thin air. People are like, oh well, one of them went through the Bermuda Triangle, so maybe they're in another dimension, they're all okay, like I get the theories we come up with to try to rationalize the situation. But you, I mean you never know.
Tasia Marie:And if it really was all a ploy for life insurance, like or not even life insurance, maybe just getting away creating a new life.
Aliya Cheyanne:Well, listen, we. Then it would be a couple of situations recently where people needed to get away, so they came up with insane, elaborate lies and I'm not know.
Tasia Marie:You're totally rustled it.
Aliya Cheyanne:Like I don't mean to laugh, but Jesus, like if this is what we're doing to try to get away, like but I mean at the same time, like if it is fake and they were just trying to get away and, like you know, I don't even think people have shared a lot of sympathy towards, like the family left behind, Like if it is a real whole cover up and conspiracy theory and the family is in on it and they're acting. That's one thing. Maybe that's why that one, the stepson, went to the concert.
Tasia Marie:Right the blink went into concert.
Aliya Cheyanne:But if it's, you know, legit and real, as many people think it is, then that's just an insane way to pay to die.
Tasia Marie:So yeah, hey, definitely, hey, definitely. So much I could have done with that 250,000. Same here, girl, same here 500,000. I'm just just wowed, and the whole president of the company, like his loss was his. His life was lost as well. Like so the fact that the company just kept going talking about we're doing expeditions next year, like y'all just suspect, foolish shit.
Aliya Cheyanne:Yeah, hopefully they have taken that down off their site for now. I think the last time I looked, it was still there, but that was also weeks ago, so hey, and that would also be crazy if people were like oh, yeah, I want to do that.
Tasia Marie:Oh, and if I'm not mistaken, I think that's the only submersible that they had. They, the guy was saying it takes like up to three years to build that thing. Oh, so unless they had already started making one, and even if they started making it, if he had any parts of it. I'm not getting in that girl Well.
Aliya Cheyanne:RIP to those people. Carly live, but we're glad she's home safely and stop policing women's bodies. There you go, there you have it.
Tasia Marie:There you have it y'all. This was a nice tumultuous episode too.
Aliya Cheyanne:A lot of things, a lot of things.
Tasia Marie:But a lot of teams. Thank y'all for a lot of teams.
Aliya Cheyanne:You're right. Thank y'all for tuning in and if you enjoyed the episode, we'll see you back next time Make sure you like make sure you follow.
Tasia Marie:Yes, treatings, all right y'all, until next time. Until next time.
